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Valve says it won’t publish game about raping women, after ‘significant discussion’

Willy

Senior Member
Why did they even bother to entertain that thought?. Seriously there must be sick screwed up people running the Verge.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/6/18...content-policy

Valve has at last responded to a mounting controversy concerning an indie game designed entirely around the violent sexual assault of women. The statement, posted to the Steam Blog earlier today, makes clear that Valve will in fact not distribute the visual novel, which was called Rape Day and scheduled for release in April through the company’s Steam Direct distribution channel. The declaration marks a quizzical few days of silence from the video game developer and marketplace owner, which has taken varying, occasionally radical stances to moderation on Steam in the past few years.

In a policy change announced last year, Valve said it would let basically anything onto the platform so long as it was not illegal or very obviously trolling to illicit negative reactions from the general public. So far, the only category to meet that definition included visual novels and other games featuring the sexual exploitation of children, which Valve banned last December. In this case, Valve says Rape Day posed “unknown costs and risks,” without clarifying which rule it broke.


Here’s Valve’s statement in full:
Over the past week you may have heard about a game called ‘Rape Day’ coming soon to Steam. Today we’ve decided not to distribute this game on Steam. Given our previous communication around Who Gets To Be On The Steam Store?, we think this decision warrants further explanation.

Much of our policy around what we distribute is, and must be, reactionary—we simply have to wait and see what comes to us via Steam Direct. We then have to make a judgement call about any risk it puts to Valve, our developer partners, or our customers. After significant fact-finding and discussion, we think ‘Rape Day’ poses unknown costs and risks and therefore won’t be on Steam.

We respect developers’ desire to express themselves, and the purpose of Steam is to help developers find an audience, but this developer has chosen content matter and a way of representing it that makes it very difficult for us to help them do that.

Despite the obvious business and moral incentivize in not abetting the distribution of a game about rape, Valve’s response will nonetheless generate a polarizing response among the gaming community, some members of which feel any form of gaming content, whether it features violence or sexual violence, is a form of free expression worthy of protection.

Some proponents of the game claim it’s depicting simply a variation on violence that is allowed and largely glorified by many mainstream, big-budget titles, like first-person shooters. Despite that very small faction of defenders, Rape Day and its developer faced widespread condemnation from Steam users, critics, and gaming fans of all stripes over the past few days, with a Change.org petition generating thousands of signatures urging Valve to take the game down, as well as hundreds of comments on the game’s Steam page criticizing the developer and calling on Valve to take action.

Not helping the matter is Valve’s new, more codified hands-off approach, which has earned Steam a reputation as a go-to distributor for all manner of violent, disturbing gaming content you cannot easily find elsewhere and that no major game platform would otherwise condone or allow. Because it’s not clear what rule Rape Day violated here — because the rules themselves are vague and poorly implemented — Valve is likely only further inviting criticism toward its moderation approach from members on both sides of the argument.

Nonetheless, the developer appears committed to releasing the game in one form or another. “However, if Steam does change their policy… and it is absolutely their right to do so, as a private company, I will do what I can to try and create/and or find an alternate way of selling and marketing my games,” the developer wrote in an update posted to Steam on Tuesday, which is no longer available because the game page has been taken down.
 

Prim0

Senior Member
Probably not a smart move to create this game or whatever.
But there is that libertarian side of me that says.....who cares? Create what you want...nobody is actually getting injured by this game. Let people decide if they want to buy and play it. It might be disgusting to just about everyone but doesn't that small percentage that would play it without then going out and raping women in real life have some sort of right to play it?

Before you jump to the "no way...ban anything that is so immoral", etc. Consider what many (even a majority of people) think about the sex trade. How many believe that every provider is being trafficked and pimped and how every guy is a pervert. Consider how many think that this life is full of drugs and diseases, etc.

If this game should go because it is just too offensive for most people (but doesn't do any actual harm to anyone), then what should happen to the sex industry when you so many feel the same way about it? Why not let the free market handle things the way we want with the sex industry. Allow those who want to participate to do so and everyone else mind their own business. Don't want to see an escort....then don't, but don't tell everyone else that they aren't allowed to do so, right? Why not allow those who want to buy and play a game that offends most of our sense to do so and just go and mind our own damned business?

But we don't want to promote the raping of women through a game.......but the same promotion of killing in other violent games is fine? Do we believe that people who play violent games will definitely go out and commit violent acts or do we realize that killing zombies or enemy soldiers in games can be separated from reality by most people? Is it enough that if one murderer was led to his crimes by playing games that we should ban them all? People seem ready to do it with this Rape game.....that if it leads to just one rape, it's not worth allowing it to exist. Well, how many people believe that if we could save just one girl from being trafficked it's worth banning the entire sex trade? Who's right?

So yeah, I'm playing devil's advocate on this. I have no interest in any kind of rape game and wouldn't support the company. But I always have to keep in mind that the shoe can end up on the other foot. What if someone wants to ban something I don't see in such a bad light? Do I want to live in a world where everything that is considered dangerous in any way will end up banned? Look at all of the control that people want to give to the government in the US right now. Ban guns because less than a hundredth percent or so are used in violent crimes. Ban tobacco anywhere outside your damned home because of second hand smoke. Ban cars and cows because of the environment. At the same time we want to have a million gender types and put people in jail for using the wrong one....and ban words that invade people's safe places and all of that shit. I would rather live in a world of mature intelligent people who can make their own decisions and the government only steps in when one person or group actually does something to limit the freedom of another.
 

Prim0

Senior Member
Prick;n1468017 said:
WTF did I just read?????????????
Do you remember a video game series call Leisure Suit Larry? The point of the game was to get your character laid. Not the same as rape exactly but some of the scenarios came close.

If you read the whole post....you may have caught the line about The Devil's Advocate....I'm just trying to look at things from different angles. You've got to admit that there are people out there that would put every monger here into the same category as rapists (in their view). Does that view (if its the majority) mean that every guy here is a rapist? Is there no way you can see that someone could play a game about rape without being completely evil or an actual danger to women. 'cause if your just going to throw all of the players of such a game into the same group, then you might as well join the people who throw all mongers into the same kind of group. Hell, they would have the advantage in that they don't actually lay a hand on any real women. If you've seen an SP, it could be argued by some that you're already a rapist.

There are some varied and sometimes crazy views out there....try opening your mind to some of them instead of just seeing everything through one view.

AGAIN....I wouldn't financially support the company that came up with this game nor have any interest in playing it. I just think it's not the end of the world that it exists or even if some wanted to play it. Playing a fucked up game or having a fucked up view of women isn't illegal as long as you never touch a woman without her consent.
 

Prim0

Senior Member
You guys can't step back and try to see things from other perspectives? Maybe that's part of your problem. Hell, that's part of the problem with the world. People only want to see things one way....their way. Again, what if everyone only saw things from the perspective of the ultra Christians when it comes to the sex industry?
 

50cents

Senior Member
Prim0;n1468272 said:
You guys can't step back and try to see things from other perspectives? Maybe that's part of your problem. Hell, that's part of the problem with the world. People only want to see things one way....their way. Again, what if everyone only saw things from the perspective of the ultra Christians when it comes to the sex industry?
Hmmmmmm:unknw:Hmmmmmm
 

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