Devilonfloor
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ROBERTSON;n1467384 said:I would like to know what triggered the fight in the OP, without that, we can't know how to judge this.
Faphard;n1467381 said:Hope these punks get what they deserve.
2 Quincy teens accused of assaulting pregnant woman
QUINCY — A pregnant woman’s pained screams could be heard in a Quincy courtroom Thursday as Judge Mark Coven watched a video that prosecutors say shows the woman being beaten by two Quincy teenagers outside a downtown post office.
After watching the video, Coven ruled that the two defendants, Tyrese D. Johnson-Nurse, 19, and David D. Russell, 18, could pose a danger to the public and ordered that they adhere to additional conditions, including wearing a GPS monitor, if released. The two had been held behind bars since their arrest Tuesday on charges of aggravated assault and battery on a pregnant woman and assault and battery.
Russell, who is also charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, is expected to be released Friday with a GPS monitor. He was not required to post bail but must stay away from the woman and any witnesses and remain in his house except to go to work.
Johnson-Nurse will remain behind bars after his bail in a pending armed robbery case in Suffolk Superior Court was revoked. Both are due back in Quincy District Court on May 29.
“This is two guys involved in a very brutal incident,” Coven said from the bench. ”(Russell) was beating the hell out of this poor pregnant woman.”
Coven used a laptop to watch a video filmed by a witness that prosecutors said showed part of the attack. The video couldn’t be seen by those in the courtroom, but the woman’s screaming was audible from the computer’s speakers.
Police said the woman was walking with her boyfriend at about 6 p.m. Tuesday when she felt sick because of her pregnancy and began to throw up outside the post office at 47 Washington St. Police said Johnson-Nurse and Russell were laughing at her and spit on her.
Police said the teenagers got into the couple’s faces and began punching the woman in the head as she screamed that she was pregnant. The men also attacked the boyfriend, who stepped in to defend his girlfriend, police said.
The woman told police that Russell had kicked her in the stomach and said, “I hope he dies.”
The men took off and police arrested them at a nearby store. Police said the woman had no visible injuries and the man had a cut on his head. Both went to the hospital on their own, police said.
Assistant District Attorney Ritaclair Muse said the woman had to go back to the hospital to check on the health of the fetus.
“It’s nothing short of shocking,” Muse said while requesting the pair be held without bail. “It’s unbelievable conduct.”
Under state law, if a judge determines that a defendant charged with a violent crime would pose a danger to the public if released, the judge can require additional conditions, such as abiding by a curfew, or detain the defendant without bail for up to 120 days. If the defendant violates the conditions of the release, they can end up behind bars again.
After watching the video, Coven indicated that Russell seemed to be the most aggressive in the fight.
“If I see him again, he’ll spend 120 days without bail,” Coven said.
https://www.patriotledger.com/news/20190411/2-quincy-teens-accused-of-assaulting-pregnant-woman
papasmerf;n1467387 said:Judging by the last few seconds of the video....the victim was a cop or security officer.
Seems to have a badge of sorts on the jacket as well as a holster and utility pouch on the hips.
ROBERTSON;n1467402 said:YA, saw that, but what didn't make sense to me, was that they were in no hurry to get away, especially if as it looks, the guy was a cop or security guard.
papasmerf;n1467417 said:Looks as if the guy was open carrying .......... Do not think the perps were that bright.
ROBERTSON;n1467439 said:I guess point is, and obviously doing a very good job at explaining it is,... why are they nonchalantly walking away from the seen, in down town Chicago, like nothing they did was wrong, not forgetting a guy holding a gun on them.
Wouldn't you think that if they were "perps", they would want to get the hell out of there ?
papasmerf;n1467469 said:Good point indeed.
Prim0;n1467558 said:I thought the story about this first vid is that he was a security guard at the McDonalds and had been getting the kids out for misbehaving in the restaurant.
I'm getting pretty tired of this kind of shit and won't be heartbroken when people do start to step up their resistance to this kind of violence. There have been some good stories of homeowner shooting intruders lately but it still seems as if people side with the law-breakers if someone with a gun defends themselves or others. I don't understand that? Why is there so much defense for wrong-doers? What excuse is there to instigate violence, or to trespass or to steal? Does it all stem from the arguments that some people did bad things to another group of people in the past and now there needs to be payback. Does this excuse blacks from attacking whites because of slavery and past racism? Is this a form of self exacted reparations. The arguments are the same. All whites are to pay even if their families were the ones who sacrificed on the side of abolition? All blacks should benefit even though blacks sometimes owned blacks, or were never involved in any way with slavery? It's fucking insanity to go around like this.
JennyT;n1467567 said:I would second.
Of course, every case is different but when I'm told I need to defend myself at all costs only if I'm sure I'm being killed or injured, is strange. How do I know, if someone comes to my house or running at me yelling threats, how do I know what's going to happen next?
Wait till they stab me or hit me? Or take something mine? Because maybe they are just playing, and are no threats, and self-defense is not justified?
ROBERTSON;n1467574 said:I don't think you would be charged in Canada, or considered wrong, if some one had broken into your house and was threatening you, and I sure as hell wouldn't.
I would use any means to defend my family and myself.
Now if the person was to start walking back out of your house, and you shot them in the back, just because you could, that would be a whole other thing.
You would not be free to do that.
JennyT;n1467615 said:I wouldn’t shoot in the back that’s for sure. But before coming back they came in...
Another story, let’s imagine these 2 scenarios:
1) You caught him walking back out of your house with your savings or laptop or something you consider valuable. What do you do?
2) They have injured your family member, running out and by all means are not going to cause any more harm. What do you do?