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For the ladies. Agency vs Indi

severeaddicted

New member
Just read that Kareena and Noir are back with agencies. Who can educate me with knowlege of the pros and cons of working as Indi vs working for an agency.

My other question is how do SP move from one agency to another, are they recruited by other agencies. Or do they hire a head hunter like corporations do.
 
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Senor Gomes

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Indis have to deal with transportation, answering own phone, advertising and so much more. I think the bottom line is security that the agencies give them.[/QUOTE]
 
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Beenthere123

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GD had great thoughts on this subject hope he continues it here.
 

MUSE

Senior Member
I can touch on this from a massage angle. Im sure some of the same theories apply for SP's....

As a provider of any kind, you have pros and cons to both...Indy's can set their own schedule, their own prices, and possibly not have to travel far (depending on incall/outcall). With a spa or agency you have power in #s. The advertising dollar that an agency or spa have is bigger than any Indy marketing budget. Girls have saftey in #'s, and a set location. Once booked for their shifts, they dont really have to juggle or think it through. Reception books your appointments for you. Also, Indy's have no fillers for No-Show appointments, and at a spa or agency incall, walkins can replace no-shows, or simply add #s to your day. In addition, your supplies and facilities are stocked and furnished for you in a spa/incall. It costs less to work for someone, yet Indy you pay no house fee. (ie: doorfee, agency cut, etc)

Its truely up to the girl and what works for her. Many go Indy and realize how hard it can be to maintain and run your own business. When you are with a client, no one can answer the phone/emails/inquiries. Perhaps they are losing business by simply being with a customer. Yet others have trouble conforming to rules within a location/under a manager. Spas dont tolerate lateness, repeated sick leave, etc.

Either way they work it, its up to the girl to get clients repeating their business with her. The rest is simply preferance and technicalities.


My 2 cents boys ;)

Emily.
 

Looney

New member
I can touch on this from a massage angle. Im sure some of the same theories apply for SP's....

As a provider of any kind, you have pros and cons to both...Indy's can set their own schedule, their own prices, and possibly not have to travel far (depending on incall/outcall). With a spa or agency you have power in #s. The advertising dollar that an agency or spa have is bigger than any Indy marketing budget. Girls have saftey in #'s, and a set location. Once booked for their shifts, they dont really have to juggle or think it through. Reception books your appointments for you. Also, Indy's have no fillers for No-Show appointments, and at a spa or agency incall, walkins can replace no-shows, or simply add #s to your day. In addition, your supplies and facilities are stocked and furnished for you in a spa/incall. It costs less to work for someone, yet Indy you pay no house fee. (ie: doorfee, agency cut, etc)

Its truely up to the girl and what works for her. Many go Indy and realize how hard it can be to maintain and run your own business. When you are with a client, no one can answer the phone/emails/inquiries. Perhaps they are losing business by simply being with a customer. Yet others have trouble conforming to rules within a location/under a manager. Spas dont tolerate lateness, repeated sick leave, etc.

Either way they work it, its up to the girl to get clients repeating their business with her. The rest is simply preferance and technicalities.


My 2 cents boys ;)

Emily.
Thanks Emily for more than your 2 cents' worth.
 

GenevieveLajoie

New member
Just read that Kareena and Noir are back with agencies. Who can educate me with knowlege of the pros and cons of working as Indi vs working for an agency.
The pros and cons will vary depending on the SP and the agency. So, I cannot really give a general answer. But I can answer it from my perspective and experience.

When I started in the business, working with an agency was the most convenient for me: they were providing me with an initial client base and the basics I needed to start (website, pics, advertisement) without having to invest time or money in it, and with a support system to rely on while I learned the particularities of the industry. At the time, I didn't feel that my schedule allowed me the time to do my own communication and bookings, so contracting an agency to do it for me was also more convenient for me. After a while working with an outcall only agency, I wanted to do incalls mostly (more convenient for my schedule as outcalls tend to be mostly in the evenings and incalls during daytime), and the agency I moved with was providing me with a space to work from.

After a little more than a year in the business, I decided to go indy for a few reasons: the primary one was that I wanted to be in full control of my business, my image, and my clientele. The costs of contracting an agency weren't worth anymore what I was getting out of it, and I had the opportunity to share a work space with some good friends which was not only cheaper but also more fun and convenient for me than working from the agency space.

I am really happy that I made the decision to work indy, and I enjoy my work even more now than I did when I was working with agencies. But a large part of my success and happiness with my indy business comes from the support system I have around me: I have a fantastic group of women surrounding me who I work with, share a space with, and can count on for support. So, from my perspective, I now have the best of both world: I have complete control over my business while being surrounded with great friends who I can share resources with and rely on for support.

My other question is how do SP move from one agency to another, are they recruited by other agencies. Or do they hire a head hunter like corporations do.
I think that in most cases (and at least in my experience), the SP contact the agency, not the other way around.
 

mynameismo

New member
Thanks Muse and Genevieve. Gen so you will advice new SP to start with an agency build a client base then go indi after a year or so?.
 

GenevieveLajoie

New member
Thanks Muse and Genevieve. Gen so you will advice new SP to start with an agency build a client base then go indi after a year or so?.
Not necessarily.

It really depends on the woman, what her objectives are, what her other commitments are, her schedule, skills, etc.

Starting with an agency worked for me, but a lot of the women I work with have started indies and never worked with agencies. Others have done like I did, and many others work with agencies for their entire stay in the biz.

There's no one formula that will suit everyone.
 

forestgrumpy

New member
Not necessarily.

It really depends on the woman, what her objectives are, what her other commitments are, her schedule, skills, etc.

Starting with an agency worked for me, but a lot of the women I work with have started indies and never worked with agencies. Others have done like I did, and many others work with agencies for their entire stay in the biz.

There's no one formula that will suit everyone.
Gen why you feel Kareena and Noir went back to the agencies. Too much for them to handle, they are both very popular SP.
 

the dharma

New member
My impression is that a sp's success (indy or agency) will mirror their level of success in the real world before they got into escorting. Translation.....if they were fuck-ups before escorting, they'll be fuck-ups while they're escorting and vica-versa. Chat with any agency or spa owner and they'll tell you the single biggest component of running an adult entertainment business that drives them up-the-wall is dealing with the drama (girls). Dealing with landlords, law-enforcement, competition, market trends, fickle clients pales in comparison to having to deal with drama (girls). I'm sure they're exceptions, but just that, exceptions.
 

Iambad

New member
My impression is that a sp's success (indy or agency) will mirror their level of success in the real world before they got into escorting. Translation.....if they were fuck-ups before escorting, they'll be fuck-ups while they're escorting and vica-versa. Chat with any agency or spa owner and they'll tell you the single biggest component of running an adult entertainment business that drives them up-the-wall is dealing with the drama (girls). Dealing with landlords, law-enforcement, competition, market trends, fickle clients pales in comparison to having to deal with drama (girls). I'm sure they're exceptions, but just that, exceptions.
Just make sure Kareena is not in your team.
 

GDLLover

New member
GD had great thoughts on this subject hope he continues it here.
Sorry i'm late adding my info, but a power outage killed my almost complete response.

Gen covers almost all of what I had to say and I completely agree with her. My info came from discussing this topic with some ladies both indy and agency for their opinions. What I found out was there is no best situation, there is only whats best for the ladies preference and comfort level.

For us non-SPs to understand it, we should compare the Agency vs Indy to Employed vs. Self-employed. Its really the same thing. Some of us want to do what we do best (employed) enjoy the work and let someone else deal with headaches that they aren't interested in. Agencies do offer much support advertising, established clientel, room bookings, answer phones, book appointments, etc. To do all of that stuff too on top of the actual Job of SP may be just not worth the aggravation and the amount effort needed. For some, they want to control all aspects of their business, put the extra effort in and also reap the rewards.

I made a example us guys can relate to that is something to think about. Most of us drive cars and they require maintanence. Take for example an oil change, most of us are capable of doing it ourself but yet the service stations are packed doing them, why? To some people the time and effort put in is just not worth the effort to save a small amount of $. Others get satisfaction doing it themself and they see saving $ continuously does make a difference to their end goal. Bottom line is its up to the individual as to how they want to approach their work/business, there is no right way.

This should be obvious, but enough reviews are available to prove that regardless of being indy or agency lady, there is no correlation between good or bad service providers. In the end the good providers are successful and the bad providers fade over time regardsless of being agency or indy.
 

Rebecca Richardson

Senior Member
Just read that Kareena and Noir are back with agencies. Who can educate me with knowlege of the pros and cons of working as Indi vs working for an agency.

My other question is how do SP move from one agency to another, are they recruited by other agencies. Or do they hire a head hunter like corporations do.
A good agency doesn't need to recruit from other agencies. Typically the SP contacts the agency because she isn't happy with something where she is - just like anyone else in any other business.

I did the same thing Gen did: started with an agency (bounced around a few at the beginning) and moved independent a few months ago. I would (and do) turn to my former agency if I run into any issues that I can't solve myself, and they helped me create a bit of an escorting family. Going indy has just expanded that. I work way less now and can be much more choosy about who I want to see and when I'd like to see them. I'm surrounded by people I'd consider to be good friends and have met my 'goal' to retire, I'm just happy and comfortable where I am. Independent suits that attitude much better, so right now I'm independent.

I've met indies (and their clientele) who feel agency-style work is (a whole bunch of things) that its not. Vice versa, I've met agency folks who think indies are (a whole bunch of things) that they are not. There's no 'right' answer, just one that works for the individual girl... but it seems a lot of people have strong opinions about it!



PS.
Chat with any agency or spa owner and they'll tell you the single biggest component of running an adult entertainment business that drives them up-the-wall is dealing with the drama (girls).
Consider the stereotype: young girl, financially in need, etc. You give an 18-year-old girl who hasn't had extra money in awhile $500 in one day, and ask her to commit to a schedule for tomorrow? Good luck.
 

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