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oldguyzer

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LisbethNova said:
Wow that is really shitty. I would be baffled if I asked for some assistance and you said that. I don't think it's about being a man or woman.. i think its about not being an asshole.

Charlotte Edwards said:
LOL. and gender equality does not mean that tall men need to be assholes to shorter women should they as for assistance simply based on height - which is different than gender naturally!

Ladies, keep in mind MAL is a constant lurker who says stupid things like that to goad a response. Yes, he's an ass and a dickhead, but there's bound to be a few like him on boards like this, unfortunately. I have faith that as soon as he crosses the line the Mods will ban his ass (again).
 
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Charlotte Edwards said:
You're an idiot. When I worked for an automotive audio store there was a female technician who worked on cars. She installed remote car starters, stereos, etc. just because you say women don't work on cars doesn't make it so. Plenty of men wear makeup too wether they are gay or straight, take a look at YouTube makeup channels, many men displaying make up how to videos. And yes I have seen men at mac makeup or Sephora. You just want to argue that you're always right, but whatever.


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Charlotte, FYI:

From 2011 Government of Canada StatsCan document:

'Among the 20 most common occupations for men, men accounted for more than 9 out of 10 workers in: transport truck driver; carpenter; automotive service technician, truck and bus mechanic and mechanical repairer; construction trades helper and labourer; welder and related machine operator; electrician; and delivery and courier service driver.'

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-012-x/99-012-x2011002-eng.cfm

Even when women self-report, it is A FACT that less than 10% of automotive technicians are women and from my experience working in the educational industry that trained automotive technicianS, the real number is 3% of technicians are women.

Charlotte, do you acknowledge that less than 10% of the auto techs are women? Or are you going to continue to misrepresent the truth?

When you lie or misrepresent, you will always lose every argument, Charlotte. Free advice to you.

Now, back to Princess Auto. When I go to Princess Auto, more than 70% of the workers are women. If women don't work on cars - personal or professional, why so many women working at Princess Auto?

Disgusting.
 

Lily Divine

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Joined Mar 14, 2013
Messages 383
In the past, I would often help women at the grocery store who wanted my assistance reaching something or lifting something onto their cart. I was asked often, for I have that boyish charm and 'good-boy' look to myself.

But, then I started thinking, why don't these women have their boyfriends or husbands do these things for them?

So, I started to refuse. I have actually said to some women - 'You should get your man to come shopping with you.'


I would like to thank you for your interesting perspective. I made it to the bottom of page one and had a realization that there is a reason I am currently single.

It is not because I am incapable of finding someone whom I could 'call my man', or that I have never been married (yes I am a bitter divorcee sometimes *coughs the word HIATUS* but typically when I am enjoying Lily time you would never know)... It is because some men have lost the concept that treating a woman with respect, and treating her as an equal should go hand in hand.

It would be my distinct pleasure to introduce you to my ex-husband. The two of you appear to have a lot in common... Though in his case he will pay for dinner for someone he will absolutely get his dick wet with as well.

I admit I am actually pretty disappointed because I did expect a bit better from you based upon past interactions, but people change and you really should do what makes you happy.

Respectfully,
Lily

P.S. Sometimes the women are the ones who take the massive hit when starting over. I have known more than a few women who society would call 'strong, independent women' who chose not to even take what was legally and morally appropriate. I think ones words were 'I would rather starve than take the pain and angst that go with a regular cheque from him!'.

P.P.S. Ladies now that we have the president of the He-Man Woman Hater's Club elected... Please feel free to call me if you need something on a tall shelf lifted down. At somewhere between 5'9-10" I tower above most. I've got you!!! If not then one of my absolutely wonderful, and sweet male friends would gladly assist as well!

*wanders away muttering about asshats taking over the world*
 

CharloteEdwards

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Joined Apr 28, 2015
Messages 222
MisterAsianLover said:
Charlotte, FYI:

From 2011 Government of Canada StatsCan document:

'Among the 20 most common occupations for men, men accounted for more than 9 out of 10 workers in: transport truck driver; carpenter; automotive service technician, truck and bus mechanic and mechanical repairer; construction trades helper and labourer; welder and related machine operator; electrician; and delivery and courier service driver.'

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-012-x/99-012-x2011002-eng.cfm

Even when women self-report, it is A FACT that less than 10% of automotive technicians are women and from my experience working in the educational industry that trained automotive technicianS, the real number is 3% of technicians are women.

Charlotte, do you acknowledge that less than 10% of the auto techs are women? Or are you going to continue to misrepresent the truth?

When you lie or misrepresent, you will always lose every argument, Charlotte. Free advice to you.

Now, back to Princess Auto. When I go to Princess Auto, more than 70% of the workers are women. If women don't work on cars - personal or professional, why so many women working at Princess Auto?

Disgusting.


Misrepresenting the truth? Lying? Nowhere did I say that all women, or a majority of women have these jobs. You make terrible arguments and only end up making yourself look bad.

I simply stated that I personally worked in sales selling car accessories and there was a female installer technician I worked with as well. Yes we were the only women in our departments, but we still did the job along with men, when previously you were saying that women don't do these jobs because men do. People are free to have whatever job they want and you need to let your Princess Auto/Canadian Tire female employee vendetta go. I used to run the car audio and accessory department I worked in for several years after learning on the job and I dealt with guys like you all the time acting like because I didn't actually install the products myself I couldn't possibly know anything about them. It was pretty funny actually how many times some asshole would storm into the installation bay and demand to talk to "a man" because they didn't want to talk to me on the sales floor. The male installers would walk right up to the them and tell them that I was the sales expert in the department and confirm what I had just told them and they would realize they couldn't pull this behaviour just because I was a woman in a department dealing with cars.

This is flawed logic as we all know people who understand how something works or even teaches when they know the theory and don't do it in practice. Lots of people sell products even though they don't build or install them, they can still understand the features, benefits and how it fits together with a customer's needs and existing set up.
 
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cristycurves

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Lily Divine said:
I would like to thank you for your interesting perspective. I made it to the bottom of page one and had a realization that there is a reason I am currently single.

It is not because I am incapable of finding someone whom I could 'call my man', or that I have never been married (yes I am a bitter divorcee sometimes *coughs the word HIATUS* but typically when I am enjoying Lily time you would never know)... It is because some men have lost the concept that treating a woman with respect, and treating her as an equal should go hand in hand.

It would be my distinct pleasure to introduce you to my ex-husband. The two of you appear to have a lot in common... Though in his case he will pay for dinner for someone he will absolutely get his dick wet with as well.

I admit I am actually pretty disappointed because I did expect a bit better from you based upon past interactions, but people change and you really should do what makes you happy.

Respectfully,
Lily

P.S. Sometimes the women are the ones who take the massive hit when starting over. I have known more than a few women who society would call 'strong, independent women' who chose not to even take what was legally and morally appropriate. I think ones words were 'I would rather starve than take the pain and angst that go with a regular cheque from him!'.

P.P.S. Ladies now that we have the president of the He-Man Woman Hater's Club elected... Please feel free to call me if you need something on a tall shelf lifted down. At somewhere between 5'9-10" I tower above most. I've got you!!! If not then one of my absolutely wonderful, and sweet male friends would gladly assist as well!

*wanders away muttering about asshats taking over the world*

:YMAPPLAUSE::YMAPPLAUSE::Dancing:praise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-Bowing:YMAPPLAUSE::YMAPPLAUSE: Amen!!
 

Prim0

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Joined Jun 29, 2010
Messages 10,859
First....please don't think that I am like MAL. I love women and respect them as I was raised predominantly by women.

I do like to debate all sorts of topics though.


So if I accept that men should not be hired into lingerie stores because they make some of the customers uncomfortable. Would you accept that women should not be in certain fields if it were to make male customers uncomfortable? This is what I am trying to get down to. A rule should be enforceable across the board. Special cases/treatment is not Equal/Just/fair/etc.




Should men be prevented from becoming OBGYN docs? There's a profession where the heterosexual male is going to see more than just your underwear! :biggrin2:
 

Lily Divine

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Joined Mar 14, 2013
Messages 383
Prim0 said:
Should men be prevented from becoming OBGYN docs? There's a profession where the heterosexual male is going to see more than just your underwear! :biggrin2:

I think we would need to roleplay this scenario to determine if a heterosexual male should pursue that vocation.
 

oldguyzer

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Joined Jun 19, 2011
Messages 15,082
Lily Divine said:
I think we would need to roleplay this scenario to determine if a heterosexual male should pursue that vocation.

I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look...
 

oldguyzer

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Lily Divine said:
Any time OG! It would be my pleasure... Just make it a hands on inspection please!

As soon as "Madman Travel & Clam Lickers" gets me a refund from my last trip to Hafilax (by way of Albuquerque) I'm be on my way.
 

CharloteEdwards

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Joined Apr 28, 2015
Messages 222
Treating women truly as equals is a great thing

Prim0 said:
First....please don't think that I am like MAL. I love women and respect them as I was raised predominantly by women.

I do like to debate all sorts of topics though.


So if I accept that men should not be hired into lingerie stores because they make some of the customers uncomfortable. Would you accept that women should not be in certain fields if it were to make male customers uncomfortable? This is what I am trying to get down to. A rule should be enforceable across the board. Special cases/treatment is not Equal/Just/fair/etc.




Should men be prevented from becoming OBGYN docs? There's a profession where the heterosexual male is going to see more than just your underwear! :biggrin2:

There is a big difference between a trained medical professional who sees bodies for health reasons and a random employee seeing women partially naked or in very little lingerie - which is sexualized by the way. In one aspect we are going for help with our bodies in normal clothes and aren't exactly dressing up and shaving to make ourselves look sexually appealing for the doctor another we are simply trying on something sexy for someone else and want to be as comfortable as possible and not to be made to feel we're putting on a show for other men should they be in the dressing room when we didn't consent to them seeing us that way. Sometimes I have needed assistance doing up clasps or ribbons on corsets, or new styles of lingerie that aren't straight forward where there's many straps all over the place in the breast area and I wouldn't want to have to ask a straight male stranger to help me honestly.

There's a big difference between gender equality at jobs and companies simply wanting their customers to be comfortable and providing a safe space for those dealing with more intimate clothing. Another man suggested this is why he prefers male tailors so he is not made to feel uncomfortable if a woman was measuring his inseam near his crotch because the way he is being touched is not supposed to be sexual but could be awkward for both parties should something come up.

The main argument was against a man saying women simply do not do or cannot do jobs where men are the majority. And now we're getting down to semantics where it's being argued that men should be allowed to be in professions that would make some woman sexually uncomfortable in the name of "fairness". I'm not even sure why this is being argued as its not apparent that anyone here is insisting on being hired for this job. And your gender equality rights do not trump my personal and sexual comfort and safety. Nothing needs to be made into law saying men or women can't do these jobs it's common sense as to gender preferences when it comes down to personal space and sexual comfort at least I hope so.

Who is uncomfortable when women are mechanics, soldiers, installation technicians? Usually women are because they are often sexually harassed by male peers on the job. Women aren't trying to get these jobs to get closer to men to perv on them. They may simply want to do this job and be good at it. While I have to trust that my male obgyn is a professional and have had no issues yet I have no idea why he got into that profession.


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Raiden

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Charlotte Edwards said:
woman was measuring his inseam near his crotch because the way he is being touched is not supposed to be sexual

I will not make a comment or joke, I promise.mmmmm damn....putting an apple in my mouth mmmmmmm ........
 

Prim0

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Joined Jun 29, 2010
Messages 10,859
Charlotte Edwards said:
There is a big difference between a trained medical professional who sees bodies for health reasons and a random employee seeing women partially naked or in very little lingerie - which is sexualized by the way. In one aspect we are going for help with our bodies in normal clothes and aren't exactly dressing up and shaving to make ourselves look sexually appealing for the doctor another we are simply trying on something sexy for someone else and want to be as comfortable as possible and not to be made to feel we're putting on a show for other men should they be in the dressing room when we didn't consent to them seeing us that way. Sometimes I have needed assistance doing up clasps or ribbons on corsets, or new styles of lingerie that aren't straight forward where there's many straps all over the place in the breast area and I wouldn't want to have to ask a straight male stranger to help me honestly.

There's a big difference between gender equality at jobs and companies simply wanting their customers to be comfortable and providing a safe space for those dealing with more intimate clothing. Another man suggested this is why he prefers male tailors so he is not made to feel uncomfortable if a woman was measuring his inseam near his crotch because the way he is being touched is not supposed to be sexual but could be awkward for both parties should something come up.

The main argument was against a man saying women simply do not do or cannot do jobs where men are the majority. And now we're getting down to semantics where it's being argued that men should be allowed to be in professions that would make some woman sexually uncomfortable in the name of "fairness". I'm not even sure why this is being argued as its not apparent that anyone here is insisting on being hired for this job. And your gender equality rights do not trump my personal and sexual comfort and safety. Nothing needs to be made into law saying men or women can't do these jobs it's common sense as to gender preferences when it comes down to personal space and sexual comfort at least I hope so.

Who is uncomfortable when women are mechanics, soldiers, installation technicians? Usually women are because they are often sexually harassed by male peers on the job. Women aren't trying to get these jobs to get closer to men to perv on them. They may simply want to do this job and be good at it. While I have to trust that my male obgyn is a professional and have had no issues yet I have no idea why he got into that profession.


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If the argument were made that a woman didn't feel comfortable with a lesbian or bisexual female employee at the lingerie shop, would that be the same thing? I think it's a bit rude to say that any man working at a lingerie shop would be there to get his jollies. Many men design clothing and invented the brassier, because they love women and want them to look and feel good. How can you judge someone's intentions without knowing them and at the same time you've given women a free pass that they don't have any ill intentions. Do you really think that there are no situations where women take advantage of men's situations?

Here is an example....should we assume that all female nurses are the same and that only male nurses should be allowed to care for male patients?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-patients-penis-surrenders-license/82373930/

(again, partially playing devil's advocate here)
 

CharloteEdwards

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Messages 222
Prim0 said:
If the argument were made that a woman didn't feel comfortable with a lesbian or bisexual female employee at the lingerie shop, would that be the same thing? I think it's a bit rude to say that any man working at a lingerie shop would be there to get his jollies. Many men design clothing and invented the brassier, because they love women and want them to look and feel good. How can you judge someone's intentions without knowing them and at the same time you've given women a free pass that they don't have any ill intentions. Do you really think that there are no situations where women take advantage of men's situations?

Here is an example....should we assume that all female nurses are the same and that only male nurses should be allowed to care for male patients?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-patients-penis-surrenders-license/82373930/

(again, partially playing devil's advocate here)

Regardless of someone's intentions, I don't know why you seem to want to argue against the right to feel comfortable and safe. I'm not interested in arguing anymore, now you're just switching to what if it were a lesbian when originally you were saying what about gender equality for men. I was specifically saying that trying on lingerie is a sexualized thing and not something many would be comfortable doing in front of those who would potentially be turned on by it, it is not the same as going to a GP or OBGYN or getting a massage from a professional.
 
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Of course men shouldn't work in lingerie shops selling lingerie to women.

But, it is equally ridiculous - on another level - to have women selling auto tools to men.

Obviously, Princess Auto is discriminating against men and actively choosing to employ women strictly on a gender basis. This is disgusting. If women get hired at La Senza as the majority and at Princess Auto as the majority, what prospects do young men have in the retail labour market?
 
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thesun said:
I prefer beautiful femal nurses to take care of me.

Male nurses are less likely to carry grudges. Female nurses, if you piss them off, are way too much to deal with.

I prefer male nurses when I am in the hospital.
 

papasmerf

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Joined Aug 9, 2010
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MisterAsianLover said:
Of course men shouldn't work in lingerie shops selling lingerie to women.

But, it is equally ridiculous - on another level - to have women selling auto tools to men.

Obviously, Princess Auto is discriminating against men and actively choosing to employ women strictly on a gender basis. This is disgusting. If women get hired at La Senza as the majority and at Princess Auto as the majority, what prospects do young men have in the retail labour market?

For goodness sake, Princess, give it a rest.
 

Analme

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The reality is men and women are different and are better suited for some roles albeit there are some exceptions to the rule.

papasmerf said:
For goodness sake, Princess, give it a rest.

Why are you telling one person to give it a rest when many are giving their opinions and everyone has a right to an opinion.
 
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cristycurves

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Analme said:
The reality is men and women are different and are better suited for some roles albeit there are some exceptions to the rule.



Why are you telling one person to give it a rest when many are giving their opinions and everyone has a right to an opinion.

If Papa doesn't mind, I'll speak. He's telling him because Mal goes on and on and on and on and on and on....get my point:) about how women shouldn't do this, should do that, and men shouldn't do this and men should do that. He's made his point umpteen times. Stated his misogynistic opinions over and over again. Yes we are ALL entitled to our opinions but when they are clearly posted and reposted to stir pots, to demeen or for other negative effects, sometimes someone has to speak out and say enough is enough!! :)
 

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