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papasmerf

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Joined Aug 9, 2010
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MisterAsianLover said:
Nice article for you guys to read.

There are shortages and waiting lists because Healthcare is not free. It costs money - approximately $5,000 per person, per year. That's $20,000 for a family of four - paid for through various taxes.

Healthcare is not free.

Please stop the terrible and juvenile mindset.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/lif...ing-search-for-a-family-doctor/article591331/
What does this have to do with the theme of this thread.........One in which you started stating as fact you are unable to purchase health insurance and seemingly unwilling to move to any area you can?
 

Prim0

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Joined Jun 29, 2010
Messages 10,859
oldguyzer said:
Think this through a little, if you can spend a few minutes in logical thought.

Why are there waiting lists? Two reasons: if there were none, we'd have an oversupply of doctors and specialists sitting around doing nothing, which is a total waste of their time and education; and waiting lists allow for prioritization, so urgent care gets handled quickly and less urgent gets to wait. Despite all the grumbling about waiting lists, urgent cases always get pushed through quickly. Those who complain are those who end up waiting because, quite frankly, their case is less important than others'.

It take 8 years or more in Unversity and practice to train a doctor. I spent 13 years in University to become a research oncologist. How would it be a good use of my time to have wasted time every day with nothing to do? Doctors want to do their craft, and stay busy doing it. We don't join this profession for the money, despite what others think. When I was working in the profession, I was capped in how much I could earn, and had to repay 13 years of University. In the end, someone who worked on the production lines at Ford made more, per hour, over their working life than I did.

As for shortages, like any business, there are boom and bust times. Doctors go where they are needed, and where they feel useful and appreciated, as well as paid properly. Shortages happen when none of those things line up, and doctors go to other countries to get better paid, better appreciated, or better treated. Just like anyone in another business would. However, in health care, you hear all the issues of shortages only when it becomes an issue, not when things are in a boom siutation.

Canada's health care is the best in the world. Not happy with it? Go somewhere else for your health care. You're allowed to, you know.

You know....your argument is very much in support of a free market system. I like it.
 

oldguyzer

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Joined Jun 19, 2011
Messages 15,082
Prim0 said:
You know....your argument is very much in support of a free market system. I like it.

Free market, to a degree, but the trouble with free market is that the poorer get screwed, which is why social programs are critical.
 

Prim0

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Joined Jun 29, 2010
Messages 10,859
oldguyzer said:
Free market, to a degree, but the trouble with free market is that the poorer get screwed, which is why social programs are critical.


But only to an extent....things have gone way too far with all of this "everyone has a right to xxxxxxx". Nope, in most things, you are ultimately responsible for your own situation.



I also question the idea of "the poor". There seems to be a large percentage of those people who are in bad situations because of their choices. I resent that people try to make me feel guilty for what I have earned because others have made choices that prevented them from earning the same. My wife and I decided on a smaller house, in a less than perfect area so that we would be able to afford to continue if one of us lost our careers. We decided to only have one child so that we would be able to take care of him/her no matter what. I chose to avoid drugs and alcohol in HS so that I wouldn't lose opportunities for education and athletics. I've made sacrifices of things I may have wanted to do, so that I would have a better life. I can't stand the people who have multiple children, skipped school, did drugs, had children while too young, learned no skills or trades, and have generally made every bad choice along the way...saying that I owe them something. I sympathize with those who are down on their luck through no fault of their own. I donate to organizations that help those people. But I resent the people who "game the system" and don't care that what they get for "free" from the government is coming from someone else's hard work. I've seen plenty of people paying for groceries with "food stamps" and then hopping into a vehicle twice as expensive as mine. Is that so wrong?
 

thesun

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Joined Jul 23, 2012
Messages 1,334
It is very wrong. I also don't mind supporting people who have made poor choices but are willing to make better choices after receiving support. We are humans and can make mistakes. However i object to those who GAme the system and refuse to end it.
 

Prim0

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Joined Jun 29, 2010
Messages 10,859
I'm all for helping people out too. I just want the freedom to choose how and when to help out. I don't want or need the government to come in and force me to donate funds to any and all the people who make bad choices or are gaming the system.


And "social programs" run by the government are a joke. If I give a glass of water to a man who's thirsty, he'll get to drink the whole glass. If the government is going to take my water and glass, then the guy will be lucky to see a drop of that water after every bureaucrat takes their sip along the way. Government is an inefficient system by it's very nature....why do people ever want more of it?
 

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