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Analme

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Joined Aug 7, 2011
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Based on her Twitter feed Cupids in 2019 will be asking $400 an hour. I think she's started smoking weed before recreational marijuana has actually become legal.:biggrin2:

I wouldn't book any of her ladies at $250 or $300 based on her disdain for clients let alone at $400.

Good way to try and recruit, poach ladies from other agencies hoping that $400 would actually work.
 

Wazzap

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Joined Sep 28, 2011
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I reckon that $250 has been a norm for too long. $300 is fair but to jump at $400 is suicide.

Just saying.
 

Furrly

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Joined Jun 1, 2016
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Jillian doesn't give a damn what you all think. She's been doing this for too long and knows the game.
 

Jessica Rain

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Give me a break, $250 is fair not $300.


$250 was the price before hotel prices raised, gas prices went over a buck, taxes went up, HST was introduced.

$300 is fair for incall, especially an indie who does all the work themselves. In my opinion. I just don't charge that because I don't have the same expenses. I don't do hotels. If I did, my rate would be higher too.

At $400, I am assuming the agency staff and the driver fees are going up. When the fees were raised originally, it was going strictly to the ladies. Now drivers and phone staff need a raise and Jillian would not want to take that out of her profit.

I see the business model on paper. She is marketing herself out of review board terrority. I will agree there.

Please remember - there is a whole world in this business that is outside of review board and there is where higher end, higher prices, elites, etc work out of it. It is not your market or clientele base that these people are looking for.

I guess that that is why pricing is such a good screening tool. It sets the pace for the type of clientele we want to see.

Many are moving away from RBC "review board culture" especially with the rise of i camel/MGTOW type movements. I could actually see me moving away from it too if I relied on this income to support myself.
 

papasmerf

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Joined Aug 9, 2010
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Free enterprise allows for pricing as high as people are willing to pay.

Where booking to drop to a point where it is no longer viable to charge higher pricing.
One needs to evaluate the price point and either decide to lower it or close up shop.
 

Winslow

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Joined Dec 1, 2009
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$250 was the price before hotel prices raised, gas prices went over a buck, taxes went up, HST was introduced.

$300 is fair for incall, especially an indie who does all the work themselves. In my opinion. I just don't charge that because I don't have the same expenses. I don't do hotels. If I did, my rate would be higher too.



At $400, I am assuming the agency staff and the driver fees are going up. When the fees were raised originally, it was going strictly to the ladies. Now drivers and phone staff need a raise and Jillian would not want to take that out of her profit.

I see the business model on paper. She is marketing herself out of review board terrority. I will agree there.

Please remember - there is a whole world in this business that is outside of review board and there is where higher end, higher prices, elites, etc work out of it. It is not your market or clientele base that these people are looking for.

I guess that that is why pricing is such a good screening tool. It sets the pace for the type of clientele we want to see.

Many are moving away from RBC "review board culture" especially with the rise of i camel/MGTOW type movements. I could actually see me moving away from it too if I relied on this income to support myself.

Why stop at $400/hr?? I think $600/hr would be more appropriate?? :YMAPPLAUSE:

In all seriousness, most hobbyists who read review boards, know that prices are getting out of control.
 
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Jessica Rain

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Why stop at $400/hr?? I think $600/hr would be more appropriate?? :YMAPPLAUSE:

With the price of inflation, that may be where it is headed. LOL

In all seriousness, my point to the poster that I quoted was that claiming a price from over a decade ago without considering the cost of living increase, is pretty close-minded.

But then again we just raised min. Wage and many are bitching about that. I guess because I am a business woman, I look at the value of money differently. Instead of always wanting to pay the cheapest price and expecting the sun and the stars delivered to me, I take a more logical approach and pay for what I think is just and fair for ALL people involved. Not just my wallet. When purchasing services of any type, I think about the person who is trying to make my buck. If they do a good job, and are an honest hard worker, they will get my cash over the cheap guy who wants to get in, get done and get out without any care to me as a client. That is how I am with all service men that I have work on my house, business, trailer, car, boat etc. So I like to think I can command the same. It is not always about the dollar amount and more about the value of that dollar.

Value not always been monetary.
 

Winslow

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Joined Dec 1, 2009
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With the price of inflation, that may be where it is headed. LOL

In all seriousness, my point to the poster that I quoted was that claiming a price from over a decade ago without considering the cost of living increase, is pretty close-minded.

But then again we just raised min. Wage and many are bitching about that. I guess because I am a business woman, I look at the value of money differently. Instead of always wanting to pay the cheapest price and expecting the sun and the stars delivered to me, I take a more logical approach and pay for what I think is just and fair for ALL people involved. Not just my wallet. When purchasing services of any type, I think about the person who is trying to make my buck. If they do a good job, and are an honest hard worker, they will get my cash over the cheap guy who wants to get in, get done and get out without any care to me as a client. That is how I am with all service men that I have work on my house, business, trailer, car, boat etc. So I like to think I can command the same. It is not always about the dollar amount and more about the value of that dollar.

Value not always been monetary.

Excellent post. However, IMHO, a lot of these Indy and agency ladies, will never be worth $400/hr.

Superstars or the industry, like Alice at Mirage, Lady Anna EX, Nadine De valle, I can understand these ladies getting $400/hr.

However, IMHO, a lot of these Indy's who charge $300--$350/hr, I wouldn't even have sex with for free---LOL

I think a lot of these SP twitter celebrities, are hoping that there are enough dumb rich guys out there, who will pay the SP's these exhorbitant fees. You wonder how some of these guys got rich in the first place. How can guys see SP's and not even bother to read review boards??
 

Jessica Rain

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Excellent post. However, IMHO, a lot of these Indy and agency ladies, will never be worth $400/hr.

Superstars or the industry, like Alice @MIRAGE, Lady Anna EX, Nadine De valle, I can understand these ladies getting $400/hr.

However, IMHO, a lot of these Indy's who charge $300--$350/hr, I wouldn't even have sex with for free---LOL

I think a lot of these SP twitter celebrities, are hoping that there are enough dumb rich guys out there, who will pay the SP's these exhorbitant fees. You wonder how some of these guys got rich in the first place. How can guys see SP's and not even bother to read review boards??


So you admit it is nothing to do with the money and everything to do with the girl. That is how it is suppose to be. What you, as the client, decides what you want.

However, the poster I quote simply stated that $300 for ANYONE is not a fair price. Only fair price in his mind is $250. See the difference?

And if you think only hookers/girls play the "stick the rich person" game, maybe you should dress in drag and see it ffrom our side of th sandbox. I mean seriously, how many dead beat unemployed guys out there living off the single moms wells cheque in her subsidize housing complex???? I know they are not rich women but freeloading, which is what some of these women do, is not separated by the sexes. Not by a long shot.

Swindling money is a two way street and swindling money is not what a professional does. A professional like our own Maya Blue who has been listed as one of the most expensive escorts in the world, started here in Toronto and has a line up of men willing to see her. Not because of her fame but because they like and want her for the experience she gives and they are willing to pay for it.

Personally, I won't hire the cheapest contractor or the cheapest lawyer. Ever. If you are a $200/hr lawyer, I won't even look in your direction. Some men are the same way.
 

Winslow

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Joined Dec 1, 2009
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So you admit it is nothing to do with the money and everything to do with the girl. That is how it is suppose to be. What you, as the client, decides what you want.

However, the poster I quote simply stated that $300 for ANYONE is not a fair price. Only fair price in his mind is $250. See the difference?

And if you think only hookers/girls play the "stick the rich person" game, maybe you should dress in drag and see it ffrom our side of th sandbox. I mean seriously, how many dead beat unemployed guys out there living off the single moms wells cheque in her subsidize housing complex???? I know they are not rich women but freeloading, which is what some of these women do, is not separated by the sexes. Not by a long shot.

Swindling money is a two way street and swindling money is not what a professional does. A professional like our own Maya Blue who has been listed as one of the most expensive escorts in the world, started here in Toronto and has a line up of men willing to see her. Not because of her fame but because they like and want her for the experience she gives and they are willing to pay for it.

Personally, I won't hire the cheapest contractor or the cheapest lawyer. Ever. If you are a $200/hr lawyer, I won't even look in your direction. Some men are the same way.

Exactly. It does have everything to do with the girl. For example, if an agency puts all there girls at $400/hr, some girls will be busy, and some girls won't get any clients.

What I find fascinating, is when the avg to below avg looking sp's, price themselves too high. Often, because there sp friends are convincing them to.
 

Jessica Rain

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Exactly. It does have everything to do with the girl. For example, if an agency puts all there girls at $400/hr, some girls will be busy, and some girls won't get any clients.

What I find fascinating, is when the avg to below avg looking sp's, price themselves too high. Often, because there sp friends are convincing them to.

Ok but again, you are defining them as avg or below in looks. We all know there is more to companionship then just looks and sex. Second, we know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of men who feel I am below average, with plenty more thinking I am average and even more just looking at my tits and not caring about what the rest of me looks like. So that can't be a measure either. See what I mean?

And all agencies, regardless of price, have some girls who are busy and some who are not. Some girls will always be more popular.
 

Winslow

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Joined Dec 1, 2009
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Ok but again, you are defining them as avg or below in looks. We all know there is more to companionship then just looks and sex. Second, we know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of men who feel I am below average, with plenty more thinking I am average and even more just looking at my tits and not caring about what the rest of me looks like. So that can't be a measure either. See what I mean?

And all agencies, regardless of price, have some girls who are busy and some who are not. Some girls will always be more popular.

Jessica, as usual, you make some more good points. I can't really argue with most of them---LOL

Just to change the subject a bit. IMHO, it's twitter that has lead to the increase in sp pricing. Before twitter, SP's couldn't get 15K followers. That's why Madison Winter can now charge $500/hr, because she has over 15K twitter followers.

I can't believe that MW started working at HPL for $120 for half an hour. Wow, times have changed, and it's mostly due to twitter. That's why successful sp's don't need review boards any more, and have No review policies, because they know they have twitter to fall back on.
 
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Jessica Rain

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Jessica, as usual, you make some more good points. I can't really argue with most of them---LOL

Just to change the subject a bit. IMHO, it's twitter that has lead to the increase in sp pricing. Before twitter, SP's couldn't get 15K followers. That's why Madison Winter can now charge $500/hr, because she has over 15K twitter followers.

I can't believe that MW started working at HPL for $120 for half an hour. Wow, times have changed, and it's mostly due to twitter. That's why successful sp's don't need review boards any more, and have No review policies, because they know have twitter to fall back on.


So it is twitter got to these girls heads OR twitter just made them more popular and began creating a volume she could not handle so a rise in rates helped control that. As well as padded her pocket book some more. Remember 10% of hobbits actually come from review boards. That is a well known statistical number.

Or maybe twitter has just opened the eyes of escorts to what they should have been charging all along??

Ok ok so even I don't believe the latter but the former is where I think it is at. Twitter is an advertising tool that if used correctly can raise for call volume ten-fold. When you become more popular, mean guys actually calling not just fanning over you on posts, you raise rates. That is escort 101.
 

Winslow

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Joined Dec 1, 2009
Messages 3,967
So it is twitter got to these girls heads OR twitter just made them more popular and began creating a volume she could not handle so a rise in rates helped control that. As well as padded her pocket book some more. Remember 10% of hobbits actually come from review boards. That is a well known statistical number.

Or maybe twitter has just opened the eyes of escorts to what they should have been charging all along??

Ok ok so even I don't believe the latter but the former is where I think it is at. Twitter is an advertising tool that if used correctly can raise for call volume ten-fold. When you become more popular, mean guys actually calling not just fanning over you on posts, you raise rates. That is escort 101.

The only good news about escort price increases, is that nobody is forcing me to pay them--LOL It's just a luxury service.

IMHO, twitter has made things very difficult for the hobbyist with average means. However, a lot of clients, might get fed up paying inflated prices, and just quit hobbying altogether?? You never know, what can happen, if sp prices continue to keep increasing like they have lately??
 
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Jessica Rain

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The only good news about escort price increases, is that nobody is forcing me to pay them--LOL It's just a luxury service.

IMHO, twitter has made things very difficult for the hobbyist with average means. However, a lot of clients, might get fed up paying inflated prices, and just quit hobbying altogether?? You never know, what can happen, if sp prices continue to keep increasing like they have lately??

no man is going to quit paying for sex. Ever. They will just pay what they can afford. That is a fact. And the prices didn't even begin to rise after like a decade. Now they are rising and then they will stop again for years on end. It is not going to be like a normal working person who gets a slight raise every year.

As as far as twitter, I have already said, I think that opinion is more a reflection of your own esteem then anything actually factual. Just like the woman who felt fat shamed at the park. It was not the staff or the park that far shamed her, she precieved that all on her own because of her own feelings about her weight. I feel you are precieving things about twitter because of your own personal feelings and not an actual reflection of twitter itself. But that is just my opinion.
 

Winslow

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no man is going to quit paying for sex. Ever. They will just pay what they can afford. That is a fact. And the prices didn't even begin to rise after like a decade. Now they are rising and then they will stop again for years on end. It is not going to be like a normal working person who gets a slight raise every year.

As as far as twitter, I have already said, I think that opinion is more a reflection of your own esteem then anything actually factual. Just like the woman who felt fat shamed at the park. It was not the staff or the park that far shamed her, she precieved that all on her own because of her own feelings about her weight. I feel you are precieving things about twitter because of your own personal feelings and not an actual reflection of twitter itself. But that is just my opinion.

Yes, but a lot of sp's who are fairly popular on twitter, couldn't even get hired by traditional agency's. These Sp's don't fit the traditional agency mold.

Twitter has given these outlier SP's a second chance, so to speak.
 

Jessica Rain

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Yes, but a lot of sp's who are fairly popular on twitter, couldn't even get hired by traditional agency's. These Sp's don't fit the traditional agency mold.

Twitter has given these outlier SP's a second chance, so to speak.


Excuse me but that is slightly offensive, no?

The only lady that is worth anything are ones that fit the "traditional agency mold?" Because that knocks me out and I am sorry but I know that in some regards I will give a better and way more genuine experience then most 20 something's in it for the big bucks.

I don't behrudge them but to think they are what I am suppose to try and emulate to be a "proper" escort, is seriously laughable.

So again, how much is those escorts on twitter and how much of it is you precieving something based on what you feel is a shortcoming?
 

Winslow

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Excuse me but that is slightly offensive, no?

The only lady that is worth anything are ones that fit the "traditional agency mold?" Because that knocks me out and I am sorry but I know that in some regards I will give a better and way more genuine experience then most 20 something's in it for the big bucks.

I don't behrudge them but to think they are what I am suppose to try and emulate to be a "proper" escort, is seriously laughable.

So again, how much is those escorts on twitter and how much of it is you precieving something based on what you feel is a shortcoming?

Jessica, I apologize if you considered my last statement offensive. I was making a general statement. I wasn't talking about you. I don't even know what you look like, as I don't follow you on twitter.

I'm not an agency owner. However, I can tell what kind of sp's these owners usually hire, as I've been on the boards for a long time.

My point is that a lot of these "outlier" SP's, are able to make a name for themselves on twitter, by showcasing their personality etc As a result, there able to get clients, by going the personality route.

I'm sorry that I'm not as "politically correct", as you want me to be---LOL
 

Jessica Rain

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Jessica, I apologize if you considered my last statement offensive. I was making a general statement. I wasn't talking about you. I don't even know what you look like, as I don't follow you on twitter.

I'm not an agency owner. However, I can tell what kind of sp's these owners usually hire, as I've been on the boards for a long time.

My point is that a lot of these "outlier" SP's, are able to make a name for themselves on twitter, by showcasing their personality etc As a result, there able to get clients, by going the personality route.

I'm sorry that I'm not as "politically correct", as you want me to be---LOL


It is not about being PC but more about remembering there is more then just you and those who usually see or those who make up the "typical" ideal of what an escort should be.

That was the point I was making. I promise I was not truly offended. :wink2:
 
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