Adelle St Clair said:While complacency is boring (vive la revolution!), the level of chaos and disorder that the world religions cause is ridiculous.
Lauren Summerhill said:It can be found in all the faiths.
I believe in God for one main reason:
When people like Einstein and Hawkings refer to God with confidence, men who have the ability to understand and compute information in ways that are usually limited to computers, and have the vision of artists, which allow them to understand that information, and create ground breaking work.... I have to give long pause for consideration. Who am I to disagree with them?
Many of the world's greatest minds firmly believed in God, in and out of the scientific field, and I think there's something to be said for that.
MysteryBoy said:I think the reason Hawkings and Einstein believe in God follows this kind of process.
Take a million letters from our alphabet and throw them down on paper. How many times would you have to throw them down to replicate the bible or a great work of literature. A billion or trillion or never. Some intervention has to take place to create order. This I believe is where the concept of God existence comes to the fore, somehow, someone with enough power had to create order from all the random chaos. Just as an author uses the alphabet to create a great work of literature, someone had to create the order of the universe. Or something like that..............
tboy said:that's just it, what you've described is random chaos. The universe isn't neat and orderly and everything that happens, or has happened, can be explained scientifically. (for the most part) The only things that can't be explained can't be just because we don't have the knowledge yet.
For example, the bible says god created the heaven and earth. Well, I hate to break it to you but there are no angels flying around the clouds with white feathery wings.
Now, take the devil and hell. Imagine back in biblical times, there's an eruption of a volcano, molten rock spewed forth. Hence, hell, down below, is hot. Did "god" create this by casting out a fallen angel? No. Earth was created by random particles colliding with each other and gradually building up over millions of years until a mass was created. This is a scientific fact. Cannot be disputed.
Ok, so take Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed. This were just people who maybe formed their own thoughts on how to live one's life. Wrote down some common sense rules (and some pretty idiotic things too). Two other people listened to them and thought, hey, that makes sense. I'll live my life that way too. Sound kind of familiar? Maybe, Tony Robbins, or Dale Carnegie? In a simpler time those two could have created their own religion.
Now take the bible. It is a book, not unlike Stephen King's "it". It's a novel written by man, NOT by god. Back in the day they didn't have printing presses so the only way to make a copy was for someone to manually transcribe it. Did you know that every time a scribe re-wrote the bible they added their own spin to it? How can that BE? The bible was written by GOD. No, the bible was written by man. Nothing else.
Take an accident account for example. We ALL KNOW that there are three sides to every story. His version, Her version and what really happened. So, two people witness an event (something miraculous) one person sees one thing and tells the story, the other person sees the SAME thing, and tells their version. People listen around the campfire and think, well version 1 is boring but boy does version two sound GOOD. I'll retell THAT version (putting their own spin on it). Distort the truth so much that it no longer has any semblence of reality. Hence you have RELIGION. Get enough people to believe your bullshit story and you're a god.
Take Hitler. He could have easily EASILY become a god. He did god like things, he performed miracles, he helped "his" people overcome massive recession. He turned a tiny pissant little country into a world power and at one point took over all of europe. Hitler and his apostles killed over a million jews, people call him an animal. Wait, the catholic church has killed a million jews and other peoples 100 times over.
One last time: IF YOU BELONG TO A GROUP THAT PROTECTS PEDOPHILES, YOU ARE AS GUILTY AS THEY ARE IF YOU ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE.
Lauren Summerhill said:Many of the world's greatest minds firmly believed in God, in and out of the scientific field, and I think there's something to be said for that.
MysteryBoy said:Do not confuse the bible with a higher being. Most religious literature is fiction, although if the intent is to be a kinder, better, more forgiving person it then has redeeming qualities.
lagavulin said:My reasons for why a belief in god are too personal to detail. Suffice to say that many years ago I experienced a form of contact with what I believe to be an unexplained phenomena that was intelligent, could communicate, and was not of this world. I have no history of mental illness.*